I have been collecting and raising fish since I was a youth. Native fish became even more important to me when I began to serve on the board of the North American Native Fishes Association. My career took me from drafting, to designing, to engineering, and toward retirement. Instead, I started a new career. I earned a B. A. degree in Environmental Studies Naturalist from the University of Michigan Dearborn, and have been surveying streams since before graduating.